2009 "Take It Off The Streets" Autoslalom Series

[engsr]

Here are the dates for our 2009 autoslalom series:

Saturday May 2nd
Saturday June 27th
Saturday July 25th
Saturday August 15th
Saturday September 5th

A new classification system has been derived, based on the current Provincial classification system. It's much simpler to classify your car and does not involve any complicated calculations or factoring. Details will be available shortly once the information package has been completed.

EDIT: January 14, 2009 - Addition of Classifications

Series Classification:
Cars will be divided into 7 classes based off of the CASC‐OR Autoslalom Provincial Series classification with certain classes and prep levels being grouped together:

MOD (Modified) – all MOD cars and purpose built race cars
SP (Street Prepared) – all SP classed cars
SS1 (Super Stock 1) – all ASS, BSS, and CSS cars
SS2 (Super Stock 2) – all DSS, ESS, and FSS cars
S1 (STOCK 1) – all AS, BS, and CS cars
S2 (STOCK 2) – all DS, ES, and GS cars
S3 (STOCK 3) – all FS and HS cars

All cars will be classified using the CASC‐OR Provincial Classification guidelines. Once the car’s Provincial class has been determined, it will then be grouped as above.

An exception will be made for our series regarding cars with a motor swap, due to the commonality and abundance of swaps available. Any car with a swap will be based one or more prep level(s) higher than the car’s original motor prep level. Examples:

• If a car has a motor where the OEM engine mount locations are used, these cars will automatically go to SP. Example – An SS Honda Civic with a VTEC‐B motor swap – goes to SP.
• If a car has a motor where the OEM mount locations are not used, these cars will automatically go to MOD. Example – An SS Honda Civic with a K‐motor swap – goes to MOD.

The event officials reserve the right to class ANY car in ANY class if they believe that the car has been improperly classed or modifications were not disclosed.

[Taylor]

I'd be interested in hearing the justifcation for the classication change.

Though I'll reserve judgement until the deets are out. Though I'm concerned I may be "unfairly" classified due to a common and minimally beneficial engine swap that ultimately keeps me from even remotely considering the CASC Series and has logically kept me from the PITL series (in a full-season capacity) with this car as well.

[Taylor]

Oh yeah, while I'm at it. Does anyone know off the cuff (too lazy/busy to read the CASC Solo 2 Manual) what license requirements there are for AutoX drivers?

Neighbour of mine has a 16 year old son and he'd like to get involved but he's only got a G2 which requires a licensed driver to accompany him. Though obviously parking lots aren't assumed roads.

Anyone know the deal for Solo 1 or CASC affiliated Track days too?

Merci.

[engsr]

According to the rulebook:

4.1. Eligibility to Compete
To qualify for entry into an event falling under CASC-OR sanctioning and using ASN Canada FIA insurance, a competitor must:
ii. Hold a current and valid provincial or state Driver's License, andand:

4.2. Underage Drivers
Competitors under the age 18 must present both a completed Parental Consent Waiver and a Minor Participant Waiver. These waivers are available on the ASN Canada FIA web site (.asncanada.).

I'm not sure if this is the same for the solosprint rulebook or not.

As for the classifications, without getting too detailed, it was a move to make things easier for the competitor and us, the organizers, to classify cars. The new system is very easy to understand, whereas the old linear system had way too many factors and calculations to consider (at least in my mind, plus, it just seemed too involved especially for a club series).

This wasn't something that was just put together either - we (well, Ryan and I) took all the data from 08 to help determine this new system. We tried out several scenarios, and from what we can see, this one should work just as well as the old system did (in terms of getting some really competitive cars/drivers in the same class).

Granted there will always be some cars that get shafted, but unfortunately, there isn't much anyone can do, really (you know the old saying, you can't please everyone, right?). However, some exceptions may be considered on a case-by-case basis. So we'll see what happens this year.

[ShaneG]

Granted there will always be some cars that get shafted

like a B20 integra:(

Nooooooooooo

Me and and you Tay....and Kenny and....:D

I also look forward to seeing the details.:cool:

[mxqisit]

Considering how quickly drivers like G and the Kurt (in the Orange EG hatch) went, I think those swapped EGs will end up in the right class ;)

The rest of you can bribe Bryan with bootleg DVDs

[nrg3k]

I think the point was more about swapped EGs that aren't pushing over 1.6L and have only 1 cam... (my car and Tay's). This new system doesn't make it any easier for us or harder, from what i could tell.

And the truth of the matter is, a good driver could win with our motors in the new class we've been slotted in. At least we aren't classing up for tires ;)

DJM:>

[ShaneG]

The rest of you can bribe Bryan with bootleg DVDs

what does he like.


I just finished editing the family vacation from '07 :eek:

I could make an un-copywrited copy...any takers:D

[Gatherer]

Oh yeah, while I'm at it. Does anyone know off the cuff (too lazy/busy to read the CASC Solo 2 Manual) what license requirements there are for AutoX drivers?

Neighbour of mine has a 16 year old son and he'd like to get involved but he's only got a G2 which requires a licensed driver to accompany him. Though obviously parking lots aren't assumed roads.

Anyone know the deal for Solo 1 or CASC affiliated Track days too?

Merci.

Rob (my brother) was allowed to compete at a HADA event with a G1 (requires a licensed driver when on the road) the only requirement made was that an experienced driver be with him each run. since this was his first event, I didn't have any issues with that requirement.

Note: this might not be an official way of deal with G1 drivers.

[Taylor]

Oh yeah I dunno.. maybe it's a G1 he has. Point is he has a license.. just not a graduated one. So does that meet the requirements on the license side? Looks like it to me.

Bryan: On the waiver front. If his father isn't there, can we have him sign at home and me to witness? Then we can just pick up some forms in advance.

[engsr]

I don't have an issue with that. And as long as there's someone with him on his runs too, he'll be ok as well.

[Taylor]

Funkadelic.

[engsr]

Classifications have been added to initial posting.

Before some you start off on a rampage :D, let me state again that I am willing to make exceptions based on how well the car can do on our lot. I know that swaps are not optimal for slalom but that's something I'm sure that all of us are aware of when performing a motor swap.

Let wackyness ensue. :D

[Snizzoop]

Hmm...it seems to be SIMILAR to what we (TLMC) tried to do last year. We had the same rule where if you used OEM mounting points, then your swapped Civic would be in our SP class (unless other mods put you in MOD class), and a swap that doesn't use OEM mounting points would be in MOD.

We're changing it this year to the way it should be. B-swapped Civics running at a TLMC event will be in MOD.

You may, or may not, find that you do the same thing next year.

[Taylor]

Wow.. that's.. hugely disappointing to read.

Can we not classify EG Hatches with D15B's as Si's and go from there based on mods? (I'm assuming this should leave me (and David M.) in SS.

*sigh* I miss the S2K.

My Ego can't handle being 10th or worse in SP sitting on 115hp. My wallet can't absorb a K24 either.

[engsr]

Can we not classify EG Hatches with D15B's as Si's and go from there based on mods? (I'm assuming this should leave me (and David M.) in SS.

That's one of the exceptions that I would be willing to make. Note that I did write VTEC-B motor up there. ;)

Hmm...it seems to be SIMILAR to what we (TLMC) tried to do last year. We had the same rule where if you used OEM mounting points, then your swapped Civic would be in our SP class (unless other mods put you in MOD class), and a swap that doesn't use OEM mounting points would be in MOD.

We're changing it this year to the way it should be. B-swapped Civics running at a TLMC event will be in MOD.

You may, or may not, find that you do the same thing next year.

Arris, is that how you based it? Cause I really couldn't figure it out from reading your series info.

Also note, that we have a much smaller lot, so the higher HP cars are somewhat at a disadvantage.

[mxqisit]

We talked about David's car and since his tranny swap also lands him in CASC SP anyways, it's an irrelevant point to reconsider him for SS based on the motor swap.

Not sure which tranny you're running Tay, but any change in gear ratios or final drive is not allowed in CASC until the SP prep-level. FWIW.

[Snizzoop]

Arris, is that how you based it? Cause I really couldn't figure it out from reading your series info.

Also note, that we have a much smaller lot, so the higher HP cars are somewhat at a disadvantage.

Here is how we worded it:

SP1 & SP2, Street Prepared Class – Allowed Modifications

All stock class and street touring modifications are permitted in
addition to the following:

1 - Engine/transmission swaps, provided they mount in the original location using original engine mounts and are only modified within the SP rules.

Basically what this is saying is that if you have swapped your Civic with a B-series, but all other modifications are within the SP ruleset, then your car won't go to MOD.

We'll see how it works out for you guys. As I said above though, we're removing that rule this year. B-swapped Civics will be in MOD.

If I recall correctly, didn't Kurt and Tyler do very well at one of your events? And didn't William do well with his SCed D-series? Sure those cars are all setup to handle well...but their "high HP" definately had to help.

[engsr]

Ah yes, I see now what you mean. I'm hoping that it does work out and if it has to be tweaked for the following season, then we'll take a look at the data and figure something out.

Only if our previous classification wasn't so involved, I'd leave it, honestly. But I'm hoping that this works. I guess we'll find out soon enough.

[nrg3k]

So - just to make sure i understand correctly - any b-swap EG will land in MOD as they all have transmission FD and ratio changes in order to accomadate the swap? also, they use non-standard mounts (trans and motor)?

DJM:>

[mikewolf]

I like the new system. Only because I didn't want to be the only one in class 1. I'm assuming I will have other to race with in MOD

Are there still plans for a year end shoot out this year?

[engsr]

Hey Mike:

There will be a shootout again. And hopefully there are some MOD cars that do show up.

So - just to make sure i understand correctly - any b-swap EG will land in MOD as they all have transmission FD and ratio changes in order to accomadate the swap? also, they use non-standard mounts (trans and motor)?

DJM:>

For our series? No. FD changes are an allowable modification in SP class (and allowable in the Provincial series, too).

[Taylor]

Weak.

I have the S20 Tranny (LSD).

Any chance of reconsidering only 1 SP class?

"Just when I think I'm in, they pull me back out!" <- Bizzaro Michael Corleone

No, seriously, this sucks. (though I understand the change)

[HBomb]

Hey Tay, bring out the Fit and clean up in stock!

[nrg3k]

Website updated with 2009 information package, and registration form.

DJM:>

[ShaneG]

Out of curiosity, did we get that many "Stock" cars over the last few years?

[engsr]

Quickly looking at my data, Event 3 had 40 and Event 5 had 23. The bulk landed in Stock2 for both events.

I would guestimate that roughly 40-50% of the cars at our events are stock.

[ShaneG]

Wow! I never realized that there were that many stock class cars. :eek: Thanks :cool:

[Taylor]

Hey Tay, bring out the Fit and clean up in stock!

I seriously don't see that happening. Fit is what? H-Stock? Aren't Mustangs in F-Stock? As much as I dislike the mustang's handling, it has a lot of torque and HP to make up sloppy cornering. G35 is in there.. I dunno.. are they heavy enough?!

I'd still like to try it out but sort of defeats the civic's purpose (especially the sway bar I picked up last year) and if I'm going to have William (my neighbour) drive it... dunno I want him grinding the gears on the daily driver. :) Guess we'll see what's what.

[mxqisit]

If you're so on the fence about everything, why not find someone willing to take on a co-driver and work out a deal with them for the season?

[HBomb]

Tay, Civic = track, Fit = parking lot.

Do it!

[Slowpoke]

Wow! I never realized that there were that many stock class cars. :eek: Thanks :cool:


The downside of driving stock cars in competition is that you yawn halfway through the course and hit cones with your eyes closed that moment. And the marshals don't appreciate if you fall sleep before the stop box and thus don't brake in time...


GO BIG OR GO HOME!




(... trying to justify my toy here...)

[HBomb]

Some stock cars can be in the top ten at every event ;)

[Taylor]

Shit I was FTD a couple times in a stock car.

[hondaguy]

I have never competed in autoslalom and hope to get out this year.Where does hada hold their autoslalom competitions.I plan to join hada at the open house.I live near london and I hear wosca is having some problems,I have an 89 civic so I thought hada would be a good club to join.

[engsr]

Our events are held in Brampton at the Powerade Centre (7575 Kennedy Rd North, Kennedy and 407 area). Check the map here:

http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=powerade+centre,+brampton,+ontario&ie=UTF8&sll=43.663983,-79.706781&sspn=0.048217,0.116952&ei=T-HLSZvBFIrWNtudxFw&cd=1&cid=43663983,-79706781,529038753696569528&li=lmd&z=14&t=m

You can actually see a school going on at the time the satellite picture was taken. The lot was expanded as well at the top parts.

[forcefed]

A new classification system has been derived, based on the current Provincial classification system. It's much simpler to classify your car and does not involve any complicated calculations or factoring. Details will be available shortly once the information package has been completed.


Has the classification system been released yet, or did i miss it?

[nrg3k]

yes, first page of this thread actually!

DJM:>

[bitterman]

wtf?!?! PITL has their open house on the same day as HADAs first event? Isn't one of the HADA organizers also a PITL organizer?

Good thing both series aren't aiming for the same target market.....:rolleyes:

[mxqisit]

wtf?!?! PITL has their open house on the same day as HADAs first event? Isn't one of the HADA organizers also a PITL organizer?

Good thing both series aren't aiming for the same target market.....:rolleyes:
If you have a concern about the conduct of a HADA member, please feel free to raise it to the Board of Directors. This is covered within our club's constitution.

[nrg3k]

wtf?!?! PITL has their open house on the same day as HADAs first event? Isn't one of the HADA organizers also a PITL organizer?

Good thing both series aren't aiming for the same target market.....:rolleyes:

Open house for PITL is 1pm-3pm - not really 100% overlap. Its also not an driving event, as far as i know.

HADA social director is not responsible for organizing autox, so i don't really see how this matters. Lots of other BoD will be available at the first event if you have any questions ;) as long as we get our samosas and pizza, who cares if his royal shortness is in attendance ? :)

DJM:>

[Taylor]

I was President and co-organizing PITL events. Whoopdie dooo.

[bitterman]

I was President and co-organizing PITL events. Whoopdie dooo.

Did you schedule conflicting dates with both series?

[bitterman]

Open house for PITL is 1pm-3pm - not really 100% overlap. Its also not an driving event, as far as i know.

HADA social director is not responsible for organizing autox, so i don't really see how this matters. Lots of other BoD will be available at the first event if you have any questions ;) as long as we get our samosas and pizza, who cares if his royal shortness is in attendance ? :)

DJM:>

Personally I couldn't give a crap if they overlap at all. With a HADA BoD member also being a key person in another series, you'd think that there wold be some coordination. But I guess not and both series suffer.

[nrg3k]

again, this is all moot as the director is not responsible for autox and is not obligated to be part of the planning for HADA autox. why do you actually care, since i know for a fact you will not be at the PITL openhouse registering for their series? Perhaps if you intend to register for the other series, you can mail in your forms and still attend our event (yes, that was sarcasm).

DJM:>

[Taylor]

Woah woah woah.. what's going on?

Where did those posts go?

[nrg3k]

hmmm and here i thought that was only allowed by club member accounts. fixed :)

[Taylor]

You can delete your own posts?

I suppose that's not such a bad idea.

[Taylor]

Did you schedule conflicting dates with both series?
No, and it wasn't my responsibility to schedule AutoX dates.

I really don't see a conflict here.

BoD can really only make important decisions based on majority votes. Sure the date is unfortunate but whatever. Should we have kicked out Steve when SPDA tried to run a series at "our" lot?

Yadda yadda yadda.

[Opal]

I'm not sure why PITL having their open house on the same day as our first event, with NO OTHER OVERLAP on the schedule is a concern, much less a point for conversation.

And no, that wasn't a call for clarification.

MOVE ALONG NOW.
*waves hand* This is not the argument you were looking for.

[engsr]

Event number #1 is this Saturday, March 2. Some notes ... to note:

- Registration opens at 8:00 and closes at 9:15.
- Event fee is $30 (HADA members $25) and series registration is $25.
- Registration is limited to the first 80 paid competitors.
- Any registrants after 9:15 will incur a $10 late fee.

Come out and shake off the winter rust.

[HBomb]

Cool - I didn't realise until now that all events are on Saturdays... That makes it more likely I can make it!

[ShaneG]

So who's going?

The car is loaded:D

It is still throwing a code, but I am not noticing any symptoms, so at minimum it will be a test and tune.

See Y'all there tomorrow

[Zoli]

Looking forward to tomorrow!! I'm still a bit miffed at Dave's decision to put us up a class hehehe Damn him for making it even harder on me this year!

[engsr]

Event number #2 is this Saturday, June 27th. Please note the following:

- Registration opens at 8:00 and closes at 9:15.
- Event fee is $30 (HADA members $25) and series registration is $25 (last day to series register).
- Registration is limited to the first 80 paid competitors.
- Any registrants after 9:15 will incur a $10 late fee.

We will be giving away discount coupons as well as Oakley discount coupons both courtesy of Perry Auto and Competition. Details will be explained at the morning driver's meeting.

Also, the event 1 results have been updated and will be posted when event 2 results are ready.

See you Saturday.

[Matt]

Woo :) I'm coming out the play, but the Del Sol is staying home.

[engsr]

Who didn't get sunburnt today? lol

Thanks to the 54 competitors who made the event run really smooth without any incidents - we got a nice 80 second average course today with 5 total runs. Booya!

Extra special thanks goes to Ryan, Andrew, John, and David for helping out without even driving in the event. Couldn't have done it without you guys.

[engsr]

Event number #3 is this Saturday, July 25. Please note the following:

- Registration opens at 8:00 and closes at 9:15.
- Event fee is $30 (HADA members $25).
- Registration is limited to the first 80 paid competitors.
- Any registrants after 9:15 will incur a $10 late fee.

We will be giving away discount coupons as well as Oakley discount coupons both courtesy of Perry Auto and Competition. Details will be explained at the morning driver's meeting.

See you Saturday.

[Taylor]

Woo, looks like I'll finally make one! Hope I can get William out to it too.

[HBomb]

Looks like I'll make it to this one - should be fun with all of the rain :)

[nrg3k]

i looove rain :D

DJM:>

[bsclywilly]

wooo! Okay I think i'm pretty sure I might just make this event!

[HBomb]

Well, no rain, but certainly a fun event - thanks Bryan and the gang!

[engsr]

Event number #4 of the HADA Motorsport Club “Take It Off The Streets” Autoslalom Series and CASC-OR Mobil1 Provincial Autoslalom Series is next Saturday, August 15th. This is a combined HADA series and Provincial series event. Please note the following:

- Registration opens at 7:45 and closes at 9:15.
- Event fee is $30 (HADA members $25).
- Registration is limited to the first 80 paid competitors. In order to provide a smooth event for all, this will be strictly enforced so please be early and on time.
- Any registrants after 9:15 will incur a $10 late fee.
- All trailers and tow/support vehicles must be parked in the bigger south parking lot. Only competition cars will be allowed in the west parking lot (main paddock).
- Scoring for the day will reflect the Provincial series however official scores for BOTH series will be adjusted afterwards to include the correct participants.
- Provincial drivers may be required to place a ‘P’ at the end of their number (for timing purposes). Details will be given at registration.

Supplementary Regulations:
• All persons attending the event (drivers, spectators, family, friends, etc) SHALL read and sign the waiver and obtain a wristband.
• All competitors SHALL attend the driver’s meeting. Drivers will not be allowed to run unless they have attended the meeting.
• In the event a competitor encounters a downed or out of position cone while on course, the competitor must SLOW down to slower than 10 km/h and complete the course at that speed, ending in the stop box. The competitor will get a re-run, subject to the chief timer and/or organizer's approval. If the chief timer and/or organizer do not see an obvious reduction of speed to a crawl, the competitor will not receive a re-run.
• Absolutely no consumption of alcoholic beverages or equivalent on the premises at any time prior, during or after the event.
• Exercise care at all times when in the pit area. Competitors found to be practicing or tire warming in the pit area, adjacent lots, or anywhere near the event will be immediately disqualified with no refund. A 10km/h speed limit will be in place at all times when driving in the pit area.
• Competitors or spectators are not allowed on the course or in the timing area unless performing designated official or marshalling duties. Every effort will be taken to post times as quickly as possible. Please do not disturb the timing officials.
• If you have to leave the event site during the proceedings, act professionally! Motorsport is under intense scrutiny. If you leave for gas or lunch, etc., drive responsibly. Remove all competition numbers when leaving the property and make sure your license plates are clearly visible and are installed correctly. Competitors will be responsible for the actions of their guests. Make them aware of the consequences of their behavior.
• No littering! Please keep the event site clean. There will be garbage bags on site.
• There is a high likelihood that photographers will be on site during the event taking pictures of vehicles. It is the competitor’s responsibility to either remove or cover their license plates during competition to prevent them from being published on the internet or other forms of media.
• Stop-box infractions will be strictly enforced, especially in regards to coming to a complete stop. Take a second to cool-down before entering the pit area after your run.
• No competitor or spectator may cross the track area. All persons will be required to stay behind the caution tape or on the sidewalk nearest the building unless they have clearance from the organizer. Photographers will not be allowed anywhere in the course area. They must stay behind the caution tape or on the sidewalk nearest the building.
• All competitors will be required to marshal. If you do not marshal, none of your times will count. Marshalling is a serious duty and safety is of the utmost importance. Marshals are required to be alert to the event proceedings. NEVER turn your back to a vehicle on course and remember that 2 vehicles will be on course.
• Event and / or Series Organizers have the right to refuse entry or disqualify a competitor from competition for any reason. Decisions of the organizers are final.

If there are any questions, please email autoslalom@hadamotorsport.com. Thanks.

And for HADA series participants, the series shirt should be ready for this event.

[engsr]

The final event of the 2009 series is this Saturday, September 5th. Please note the following:

- Registration opens at 8:00 and closes at 9:15.
- Event fee is $30 (HADA members $25).
- Registration is limited to the first 80 paid competitors.
- Any registrants after 9:15 will incur a $10 late fee.
- final run will start no later than 2:30* to accommodate the shootout.

Perry Auto and Competition has donated several prizes for this final event, including a Go Pro camera for the "Top Dawg". Other random prizes include complimentary series registration and events for the 2010 series. More details will be given at the driver's meeting.

* - time may change.

See you Saturday.

[engsr]

Congratulations to this year's class winners:

MOD - Mike W
SP - Paul K
SS1 - Steven D
SS2 - Wes T
S2 - Hanif P
S3 - Mike B

Also, congrats to our 2009 Top Dawg, Wes T, for winning the class winners' shootout.

Official results will be posted soon.

A big thank you to all of those that helped at the events this year. Without you, the days would not have gone as smooth. You all know who you are.

Special thanks to our sponsors:

Perry Performance and Competition
Discovery Auto and Truck Collision
Afirma Innovations
JRE Inc.

And lastly, thanks to all the competitors for supporting our series and keeping it fun. Cheers!

[Slowpoke]

Congratulations, Wes! And kudos to the organizing crew! I know the struggle /hell that you go through!

[Taylor]

Yup, good show Wes. You nailed that second run.

Thanks to Bryan for donating his time so we had a series this year (and speaking for the events I attended) Ryan and Andrew for showing at every event to help with registration and timing in while never competeing in Andrews case and Setup and Tear-down in while only competing once in Ryans case. It's one thing to assist when your competing and another when you're there *just* to help.

[Wes]

A big thanks to Bryan. Also a big thanks to Opal for offering up her car for the shoot out and a BIG thanks to Carl and Perry Automotive for the awesome prize.

[Opal]

And a big, personal thanks from me for not killing the Civic of Doom during the shootout.
;)

[Taylor]

hehe.. yes, we really should have a more suitable car next year. :)

[nrg3k]

what happened to the club's NSX-R that was used a few years ago? LoL

DJM:>