May 24/25 Solosprint events 1 & 2

[Guillermo]

CASC-ON Solosprint events 1 & 2 will take place on May 24/25, 2008 on the Mosport DDT track.
I'm going, who else from HADA is going?

[ShaneG]

Yo G:D

I've paid!

but the car still aint ready:(

This week is gonna be a mad scramble.

[TodF]

Kim and I are both supposed to go in her SiR-R...

[pigeon]

I'll be there!
I have another friend who is going to sign up with HADA this week, and try his first Solosprint with us on the weekend, so he'll be there too. Convienently, his name is also Chris :)

[engsr]

I'll be there. David and Ken are in as well.

From the sign up list, it looks like a very strong HADA presence this year.

:D

[Matt]

I'll be there friday evening to sleep in the truck for the weekend. Fingers crossed that the del sol continues problem-free and now I find out if it is a class killer that I'm hoping for! :P

[SiRJL]

Prepaid and ready to go!
I'll be there with Chris(pigeon) and Chris lol :D

[1999_ITR]

I'll be there

[JohnP]

I will be there.

JohnP

[AdamH]

will be there too

[ShaneG]

who is camping?

[Matt]

What class is everyone running? I have guessed at my car weight and it puts me in GT2 including tires, but I might be in GT3 if I guessed a little bit too light.

[pigeon]

For now i'll be using my car in T3-R

[TodF]

Wow, I just tried to class Kim's SiR and got Screwed!!! Do I need to account for the LSD or does that count with the B18C5 swap (since it comes with it?)

[pigeon]

When I inquired from Arek last year (regarding the Integras DC5 ITR transmission on the K20A) he made us claim pips for both the gear ratio changes and the LSD...

It caught me by surprise because like you, I assumed it was accounted for by the engine swap... but then I really had no basis for argument, because neither the swap or dyno option takes transmission upgrades into account.

[1999_ITR]

The swap option SHOULD take that into account though. Kinda stupid that it doesn't. There is no "upgrade" of the transmission, it's the gearing and LSD that comes with that swap. Now if you installed a Quaife LSD then yes that's an upgrade.

This year with somethings I removed and some things I added and the negative pips for running RA1's I'm in SGT3 :)

[Solid Alibye]

yeap!

So with my B20Z swap and ITR tranny I had to claim pips for:
- (1.0) Modification to the transmission gears or final drive gear ratio.
- (1.5) Installation of a Limited Slip Differential on a car not originally equipped with an LSD.

- (1.0) for swaping to an LS intake manifold
- (2.0) for my JDC Sports JDM ITR header
- (1.0) for my adjustable fuel pressure regulator

- (1.0) non stock alignment
- (2.0) non stock shocks (coil-overs)
- (4.0) non stock springs (coil-overs)

- (1.0) for my exedy flywheel

BUT I took the option of dyno plot (139.2 whp on TAG's dynojet) and race weight (2360lbs) so I ended up with 76.2 and GT1, sooooo with RA1's I'll be in GT2-R.

Damn it 1.1 pips less would have made me GT2, then GT3-R with RA1's! ....if I only had the roll bar now LOL!

Tod: I would suggest getting a dyno plot and finding out the race weight just to see if it will help to classify Kim's car lower.

[TodF]

Not gonna happen before the weekend. The car landed in GT1 so that'll be GT2 (GT1-R) with RA-1's.

Funny enough my car landed in T1 with better suspension, LSD, lightened flywheel, alignment.... Hell it'll be T3 if I run my streets!!!

[engsr]

GT1 sounds about right, since my Type-R with just coilovers falls there. Of course, I'll be using RA-1s, so I'll be in GT2-R.

The thought of running the car in GT4 did come to mind but I'm too lazy to swap out the suspension. And I don't have good street tires, either.

[Opal]

Hrm. We need to plan better next year... seems like half of HADA is in GT2-R. How are we supposed to dominate if we're clustered in one class? ;)

[TodF]

The way I understand it (from a thread on CASC) you're supposed to mark the car with the root class GT1-R so that it will get scored in GT2 and not the reverse like you guys are saying...

[engsr]

Chuck clarified it, so it's the reverse now.

http://www.casc.on.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=14070

[engsr]

Actually, would anyone be interested in meeting up Friday night for dinner? There's a Kelseys near King and Martin (about 10 minutes away from the track). I guess this would apply more to those that are camping over or staying near by.

As Ryan would say: "Holla!"

[pigeon]

There is no "upgrade" of the transmission, it's the gearing and LSD that comes with that swap.
I agree, which was my initial thoughts when I was doing Jays car. I didn't argue with Arek when he told me, but the more I thought about it the more it actually makes sense.

When the dyno reports the whp value, you're supposed to be as close to a 1:1 ratio as possible so your gearing changes won't be taken into account, and a dyno won't be able to show the effects of the LSD.

When you do the swap option, is the same thing (the engines bhp number doesn't consider the LSD or the gearing).

Since the cars starting PI value doesn't take it into account (before the dyno, and before the swap), without claiming it you're getting the benefit without actually reporting it.

[1999_ITR]

Actually, would anyone be interested in meeting up Friday night for dinner? There's a Kelseys near King and Martin (about 10 minutes away from the track). I guess this would apply more to those that are camping over or staying near by.

As Ryan would say: "Holla!"

Bryan I'm down for that...Do we know if the gates will be open??

[1999_ITR]

I agree, which was my initial thoughts when I was doing Jays car. I didn't argue with Arek when he told me, but the more I thought about it the more it actually makes sense.

When the dyno reports the whp value, you're supposed to be as close to a 1:1 ratio as possible so your gearing changes won't be taken into account, and a dyno won't be able to show the effects of the LSD.

When you do the swap option, is the same thing (the engines bhp number doesn't consider the LSD or the gearing).

Since the cars starting PI value doesn't take it into account (before the dyno, and before the swap), without claiming it you're getting the benefit without actually reporting it.


But upgrading to a Quaife LSD over the stock piece is something you would benefit from for sure and you don't take pips....Or Changing your gearing each time you go to a different track to optimize your powerband is something else you'd benefit from without being penalized for. See what I'm getting at?? You can upgrade your stock LSD or change your gearing for each track and not get pip'd so why should someone who's already getting pip'd for the swap get ADDITIONLLY pip'd for the stock tranny components that come with the swap....It's almost like, if you don't buy the right car, screw you.

[SiRJL]

Hopefully, I'll be trying my luck in GT3-S :D

[engsr]

Bryan I'm down for that...Do we know if the gates will be open??

I have no idea - I won't be camping at Mosport, either. Matt would probably know more since he's camped there before.

[1999_ITR]

Oh your getting a hotel?? WIMP!!!! :p

[engsr]

Not even - more like a hard couch in a freezing cold basement (read, Dave's dad's house). Does have a hot-tub, supposedly. :D

[1999_ITR]

so you and dave are gonna be in a hot tub??

[engsr]

Hopefully not at the same time. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v122/engsr/Smilies/willy_nilly.gif

[1999_ITR]

Hopefully at the same time. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v122/engsr/Smilies/willy_nilly.gif

REALLY now?

[engsr]

^^ HAHAH.

Mark 1
Bryan 0

[pigeon]

Oh your getting a hotel?? WIMP!!!! :p
We're getting a hotel, Jasons snoring doesn't comply with the maximum sound requirements at most tracks :p

[1999_ITR]

Yah but I already knew you were a wimp :p....Hey read what I replied to you 11 posts back about the tranny pips. I figure that it makes more sense that way but maybe not.

[nrg3k]

As noted, i'll be there. my 110whp civic lands in GT3, which means i'll run a GT4-R class sticker with the RA1s i stole off Martin ;)

For pips, i have the SI transmission on my motor, with OE LSD. I got nailed for both gear change PIPs and LSD pips. I got a dyno done, and will be weighing my car with Jon Weir's scales after Matt is finished on saturday morning. Hopefully i will sit at 2200 lbs including driver, but who knows ;)

I'm game for dinner friday night!

DJM:>

[Guillermo]

When I inquired from Arek last year (regarding the Integras DC5 ITR transmission on the K20A) he made us claim pips for both the gear ratio changes and the LSD...

It caught me by surprise because like you, I assumed it was accounted for by the engine swap... but then I really had no basis for argument, because neither the swap or dyno option takes transmission upgrades into account.

It's logical, an engine swap is an improvement in power, improving the gears and adding an LSD are other "measurable" improvements. It's irrelevant if a specific engine swap requires a specific transmission.

[Guillermo]

Damn it 1.1 pips less would have made me GT2, then GT3-R with RA1's! ....if I only had the roll bar now LOL!

The roll bar is -1 bPIP but it can only be used to offset a bPIP in the body and trim category. Since you took the race weight option having a roll bar or not would not affect your PIP schedule (only your weight). Our EG SI has a sunroof and is lighter then yours with a Ronnie Half cage. Those ITR seats must be heavy :eek:

[Guillermo]

Tod: I would suggest getting a dyno plot and finding out the race weight just to see if it will help to classify Kim's car lower.
I completely agree, to class Kim's car fairly in Solosprint it needs 3 dyno plots and a race weight.

[Guillermo]

Not gonna happen before the weekend. The car landed in GT1 so that'll be GT2 (GT1-R) with RA-1's.
If the car classification web site said the car is in GT1 but you use non-premium R-compound tires like Toyo RA1 then the car will be in GT2 and masking tape on the car must say GT2R (not GT1R).

[Guillermo]

But upgrading to a Quaife LSD over the stock piece is something you would benefit from for sure and you don't take pips....
There is much more benefit in installing an LSD in a car that doesn't have one then upgrading the LSD.
And you are right, each PIP assumes you bought the best product possible, optimizing PIPs is the name of the game.
If someone upgrades to mild street coil over suspension they will be fully PIPed as if they upgraded to full race coil-overs. When you are going to do something make sure it's worth it :D

[Guillermo]

Hopefully i will sit at 2200 lbs including driver, but who knows ;)
DJM:>

In Solosprint race weight does not include the driver.

[1999_ITR]

There is much more benefit in installing an LSD in a car that doesn't have one then upgrading the LSD.
And you are right, each PIP assumes you bought the best product possible, optimizing PIPs is the name of the game.
If someone upgrades to mild street coil over suspension they will be fully PIPed as if they upgraded to full race coil-overs. When you are going to do something make sure it's worth it :D

I completely disagree on that one sorry man. Upgrading a car without LSD to an LSD is not more beneficial than upgrading from a stock helical unit to a clutch type. There is a HUGE difference when driving a car with a stock LSD compared to a Quaife which are similar, then a huge difference from a stock LSD to a clutch type like the ATS deftforce 2-way limited slip differential or spoon 2 way. I'm not saying that upgrading is more beneficial but that the benefits are similar.

I know that the piping system favours the person with the best product but this is grassroots so maybe that shouldn't be the way it's done. The system is "flawed" to say the least.

Oh and by the way don't get me wrong I'm not saying I could do it better but I think it could be better.

[Solid Alibye]

The roll bar is -1 bPIP but it can only be used to offset a bPIP in the body and trim category. Since you took the race weight option having a roll bar or not would not affect your PIP schedule (only your weight). Our EG SI has a sunroof and is lighter then yours with a Ronnie Half cage. Those ITR seats must be heavy :eek:

Hummmmmm interesting.... essentially we have the exact same car. Civic SI w/sunroof, p/s, a/c, and B20 w/itr tranny but you have a Ronnie Half cage and...... it's lighter? Damn! What does your B20B hatch weight?

What class does you car fall into with the updated 142whp dyno plot after it was tuned?

[Matt]

Most times that I've been to the DDT, the gates have been open. However, at last year's spring school they were closed and I slept in the back seat of a pickup truck... bleh.

I don't think I'll be in town in time to meet for dinner, but certainly there will be a campfire later.

[Guillermo]

Ken,
Our civic weighed 2380 lbs last time it was weighed but this year the car will have 2 race buckets (not in time for this weekend) and much lighter wheels so it's going to weight much less. I'll find out how much it weighs tomorrow morning.
Our car is right in the middle of GT2R.

[nrg3k]

results are up

http://soloontario.com/event_results.html

w00t - my first day wasn't so good, but my second day made up for it :D

DJM:>

[Maxi]

Looks like I'm going to have to drive Raj's car a few times to mess with JP :p

23 cars in GT2 on Saturday?!? That's gotta be some kind of record.

And Adam, propositioned twice in a row? How very sad.... :)

[pigeon]

I'm curious to see the results at a higher speed track for GT2..

For my class, on the Sunday where they removed the kink.. the guy with the Mini Cooper said he was hitting 140-145 at the crest of the hill.. then he was lifting, and sorta part throttle down the hill into the braking zone. If he stayed flat out he would have been around 150-155 at the braking zone.

In my car I was flat out all the way through, all the way down the hill, and I was late braking as far as I could go and I was only getting to about 130 right before I hit the brakes... At Shannonville he's gonna walk me down that back straight no matter how nicely I enter it.. and how late I brake :(
I have another 4ish pips that im not using, but I don't really know what more I can do to get more power out of my stupid 1.5L lol

[Guillermo]

I'm surprised that my lap times were not as far off the GT2 leaders (who have more power) on day 2 compared to day 1. With the extra kink (2 extra turns) on Saturday I would have thought i should have done better that day. :confused:
If only I had G2X data from them. What a minute,

Miles, Can you send me G2X data when you were driving on May 24 & 25 please :D

[MilesM]

Martin has all the data yo! I'm a writer not a computer programmer! How come you don't want to see where you were faster than Martin on Sunday - it's only my lines you're interested in. :cool:

[Slowpoke]

http://www.tanneymotorsport.com/gallery2/d/20624-1/177_2008_05_24_2248.JPG



Event one photos are up, courtesy of Sonia and Wes. (http://www.tanneymotorsport.com/gallery2/v/2008SoloSprint/2008Event1/?g2_page=1)