95 del Sol vs 02 Civic coupe?

[paulneartarga]

Which should I do for Targa?

My GF has upgraded to an Evo.....mine.

So that leaves the team with one car too many....one has to go,but which one?

Can the 2001-2005 Civic chassis be made to handle as good or close to the older double wishbone suspension del Sol?

I'm considering the Civic because its a little bit newer,and has a bit more interior room for me to fit.Its actually gonna move me up a couple of classes at Targa over the del Sol,but thats not a real big concern for me......its all about getting out there and having fun.

Or should I sell both and build an Integra TypeR replica from a regular Integra.(Is that even possible?)

[MilesM]

Double wishbone FTW. The cage will reduce chassis flex. Mac struts are ass monkeys and the civic coupe is a fat-assed pig in the civic world.

[Matt]

Well that should pretty much clear that up.

[engsr]

Originally Posted by paulneartarga

Or should I sell both and build an Integra TypeR replica from a regular Integra.(Is that even possible?)

It's possible to get one that handles just as well or better but there's something about the feel of a Type-R that makes it so much fun to drive. My guess is if you did all the chassis reinforcements and substituted all the major components from a Type-R it could be similar. But it's impossible to say since most people that build a Hype-R never take it that level - they just make it look like an R.

If it were me and I wanted to use a DC, I would look for an R shell and drop a K24 in there. But that's me.

[paulneartarga]

Originally Posted by engsr

My guess is if you did all the chassis reinforcements and substituted all the major components from a Type-R it could be similar.

If it were me and I wanted to use a DC, I would look for an R shell and drop a K24 in there. But that's me.

If I were to attempt it,hopefully the full roll cage along with some bracing would make the chassis nice and strong.

A "stock",or level 1 prep,TypeR should have the most bang for the buck at Targa,the larger engine would make the car faster,but you probably would be classed in open and be up against a "group B Audi"

[MilesM]

IMO you're most often better off buying an ITR than building one. The sum of their parts far out-weigh the hole. If you're creating a monster K24 supercar, then any DC2 will be fine. ITRs out of the box have been spanking BMWs from day one. Because they're so easy to drive, anyone can look like a superstar.

[HBomb]

True, there is an indescribable goodness that the ITR has that I haven't felt in another stock front wheel drive car.

[Taylor]

Originally Posted by MilesM

Because they're so easy to drive, anyone can look like a superstar.

Funny, I've found that's the case with the BMW's.. well.. at least the E36 M3... you can overdrive the shit out of it and still look like a hero. Though my car of reference at the time was the S2000, which... you can'd do that with.

[paulneartarga]

Del Sol it is,Civic is going up for sale next week.

Had a good re-look at the Targa rules and I'm gonna aim for Level 2 prep....it means I can swap in a B-series engine,limited slip diff,any sway bars,suspension work I want,and any brake swaps....lots of room to play.However,of course the times will be pratically impossible to meet

But it should make for a quick little fun car to learn on.

[MilesM]

You can have too much brake. A setup a lot of us have used is called the poor man's ITR brake conversion. Involves ITR/prelude calipers, MC and booster and re-drilling 4X114 prelude rotors to 4X100 and re-using your stock 4X100 hub. There are plenty of how-to's about if you do the search. Carl from Perry Auto Laval can sell rotors pre-drilled - he's supplied mine and shipped them that way. Gives you a 11.1" front rotor and more pad choice since ITRs are far better supported than whatever you have on the car now. Anything more than that you're going to have lock up issues. Even with the ITR setup, I had trouble getting heat into race pads so had to run less aggressive pads. Light cars don't need a lot of brakes.